Those cartridges fly farther, but if your hunting ground only allows for shots within 100 yards, why put your shoulder through more pain than necessary? I have used this cartridge on moose with excellent results. Why cant we love the .35? Spl. Ruger briefly chambered the M77 rifle in .35 Whelen. Book an outstandingAfrican safari hunt here. hits a little harder, but only clocks in at 13 ft.-lbs. Loved by gun guys and rejected by the huddled masses, this is perhaps the most underappreciated cartridge of them all. It is true that the cartridge has its limitations, but used under the right circumstances, itis an outstanding choice. The Deer Season XP load from Winchester, using the 150-grain load at 2325 fps still has 903 ft.-lbs. $735 + $40 SHIPPING to your FFL DEALER.This gun is chambered in the WINCHESTER 35 CAL. was designed for the American market, but sadly no American riflemaker ever chambered the cartridge in a cataloged gun. You can never lead if you always follow; the other cartridges were designed to chase Winchesters success, while the .35 Rem. Seller: GUNNER308 . hit the market in 1895 paired with Winchesters now-legendary 1894 lever-action. Soon after, the classic 150- and 170-grain loads took root, and due to the tubular magazines of so many popular rifles, round nose bullets were employed. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. The ability to smack the snot out of big game animals like black bear and wily old whitetail bucks is what really matters. Contributor Mike Roux takes his audience through a few factors that contribute to a successful hunt. Both cartridges are eminently shootable. If we compare the .300 Win. Both conceived in the early 20th century, the .270 Winchester and the .30-06 Springfield are ballistically similar, easy to find, and chambered in a wide variety of rifles. Out west and the .30/30 is the king. But bringing down game isnt just about heavy, fast-flying bullets. check. Every time I use it I ask myself, Whats not to like? Beats me, but nobody liked it enough to keep it in production. Winchester offered .351 WSL factory loads loaded with 180 grain jacketed soft point (JSP), round nose bullets. Access the newest seasons of MeatEater, save content, and join in discussions with the Crew and others in the MeatEater community. The .358 Norma Mag. It has never failed me. Shootability But it offers only 100fps more with a 200 gr. Henry Repeating Arms recently presented a $25,000 check a nonprofit organization that provides support and programs for the families and co-workers of firefighters killed in the line of duty. Those same characteristics that made the .35 Remington such an effective choice on really large animals during the 20th Century still ring true today. The .35 Remington has proven itself for almost a century as a reliable short-range woods cartridge for medium-sized game such as deer and black bear. Bottles & 12-oz. The 600 Magnum suffered from a barrel that was too short at 18 inches. On the other hand, the hardest hitting 35 Remington load is the 220-grain Heavy load from Buffalo Bore. The '06 has been the big-game king forever. Most commercially available loads for the .351 SL launched a 180 grain .351 caliber bullet at between 1,850 and 1,925 fps from a 20-inch barrel, yielding identical muzzle energy to the .30-30 when fired from a 20-inch barrel (rather than a manufacturer's long test barrel). Though a 150-grain spire point load was offered for a whilespecifically for the old magazine-fed Model 8sthe standard load has long been a 200-grain round nose bullet. I have one, of course, and it is fun to shoot, but I would never use it on a serious big-game hunt. Richard Mann was included in that party is a mystery, as it had no Winchester counterpart. Winchester is currently chambering the excellent XPR rifle for the 350 Legend, so for those who prefer a modern bolt-action rifle to the classic lines of a lever-action, the 350 Legend might appeal to you. The .30-30 is among the most popular small-bore sporting cartridges ever produced and, shortly after its introduction, Winchester, Savage, Marlin, and Remington were offering lever-action, bolt-action, rolling-block, and single-shot rifles. Both come in light, handy rifles that are a pleasure to carry in the forested mountains and wooded areas where these guns shine. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. Contrary to what Gen Z shooters might think, traditionally styled lever-action rifles are not just relics or a way to get your cowboy fix. remember seeing it on Winchester's loading list when I was a teenager. Mag. At 300 yards, it has 19 percent more energy than the .300 Win. However, they are high pressure loads and should only be used in modern firearms, such as the Marlin 336, that are in good condition. cartridge Winchester chambered in the Model 1894. If you don't intend to hunt beyond 200Yards, save you money keep your 35 Rem in a Marlin platform and scope it with a Leupold. Keep in mind that most hunting ammunition currently sells for an average of $28 to $32 per box. This combination offers an affordable, hard-hitting rig which is capable of taking most common game animals, albeit at short range. Federal loads the 225-grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2600 f.p.s. One of the oldest and most popular cartridges of all time, the .30-30 Winchester, was released in 1895 and has been bringing down all manner of game ever since. Savage Arms has announced the newest model in its series of straight-pull rifles, the Impulse Driven Hunter. The FTX bullet has a pointed, flexible, polymer tip that has a higher ballistic coefficient than the flat tipped or round nose bullets the cartridge normally uses. Are you just itching to take a rifle chambered in .35 Remington on a hunt? I feel the cartridges offer very similar performance, at similar ranges. The maximum load is 19.5 Savage Arms has announced the newest model in its series of straight-pull rifles, the Impulse Driven Hunter. Calling and shooting predators is one of the things that helps hunters get from the end of the fall seasons to when the turkeys start gobbling. Using the same case head diameter of the .223 Remington at a length of 1.71-inch, the 350 Legend uses a .357-inch diameter bullet, for a combination that is very easy on the shoulder while being effective downrange. with bullets between 200 grains and 220 grains. Nosler has three loads in its Custom line. usually costs closer to $45 for a box. lcw #12400267 11/15/17. Mag. The .350 Rem. For those interested in wringing out all of the power available in the .35 Remington, there are a couple of other .35 Remington ammunition options besides the standard 200gr soft point loads listed above. A major online retailer only lists four loads for the .35 Remington but lists 35 different options for the .30/30. Using a 180 grain JSP bullet, Lyman data shows a starting Neither produce much felt recoil, which makes them perfect for lighter rifles and newer hunters. Remington introduced the .35 about 10 years later in 1906 alongside their Model 8 semi-automatic rifle. Buffalo Bore also produces 220gr loads that they claim reach a velocity of 2,200 feet per second (2,364 foot pounds). These advertisements typically featured hunters fearlessly facing down wolves and grizzly bears with their trusty Remington Auto-Loading Rifle chambered in the potent .35 Remington cartridge. Most only in imaginations. Re: 35 Remington vs. 358 Winchester. .30-30 Win. Mag. It was not designed for a lever-action rifle. These bullets weigh 171 grains with a .348 caliber gas Copyright 2009, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. Joined: Feb 2010. The Big Game Hunting Blog is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com, Amazon.co.uk, Amazon.ca, Amazon.com.au, and other Amazon stores worldwide. The .351 Winchester Self-Loading (also called .351 SL or .351 WSL) is an American rifle cartridge designed in 1906. I wont pretend to solve Sign in to access your profile, save content and more. This stumpy little cartridge was introduced to the hunting public in 1908 and is the only surviving member of the early class of Remington rimless cartridges. From the Green Goblin (a bolt-action rifle I built on a Remington action), both will produce groups that are sub-minute-of-angle. Slightly less recoil and quite a bit less cash gives the shootability category to the .30-30 Win. that bullet is 19.5 grains for a MV of 1904 fps. In this article, Im going to conduct a detailed analysis of the .35 Remington in an effort to cut through some of the myths and misunderstandings out there regarding the capabilities of the cartridge so you can make an informed decision regarding whether or not you should hunt with one. goes slower, but not by much. Moderate, safe, bland and predictable. Copyright 2023 Big Game Hunting Adventures LLC | All Rights Reserved. If you shoot a .35 Remington, I see no reason whatsoever to stop doing so, just make sure you keep an ample supply of whatever load your rifle likes. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? Personally, at the ranges that these cartridges are used, I could easily call it a draw. I shoot the 200 grain Hornady interlock factory loads in mine. [4] When compared to other medium bore rounds, the .351 SL is closer in power to the .35 Remington (200 grain .358 bullet at 1,950 to 2,000 fps from a 20-inch barrel) than it is to the .357 Magnum carbine (158 grain bullet at about 1,800 fps). Lyman mold #350319. We've got you covered. .257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage.270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington.35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser.416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum.308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield.22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie.300 Win. Accuracy was always regarded as fair at best from Model 07 carbines. While the .35 Remington was extremely popular when first introduced in the early 1900s, the cartridge has fallen out of mainstream use in recent years. Scoped and out to 350 yards the 308 has it hands down. Chiefly because of the handy Winchester '07 carbine, the grains of IMR 4227 for a MV of 1751 fps. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. If I were a Midwest hunter, Id dive on top of the 350 Legend, as it gives what I consider to be the most bang for the buck. into the deer woods, and I pine for what could have been. Winchester model 1907 in .351 winchester. Looks like I will be getting a Winchester Model 07 .351 SL next week.Just wondering if any one has any tips or good loads for shooting this rifle.Have been able to find some load data in the #45 Lyman Reloading Handbook.Looks like IMR 4227 would be a good powder to use.A plus, as I already have this powder. It was not designed for a lever-action rifle. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. All provide an increase in accuracythough there are some wonderfully accurate slug guns out therebut the trajectory of those cartridges are less than flat-shooting, and all are a bit on the heavy side. Heres what you need to know about hunting with the 35 Rem today. The .30-30 has an even clearer edge when it comes to availability of firearms. Sierra Game King from my .35 Whelen, he ran 30-40yds . Just $1 per month . 35 Remington vs 30-30 A typical 35 Remington factory load (200gr bullet at 2,080fps) has about 5% more energy than a normal 30-30 factory load (170gr bullet at 2,200fps). But ever since the mid-1950s when Marlin started chambering their Model 336 in .35 Remington, theres been a Hatfield & McCoy like feud over whether it was a better lever-gun cartridge than the .30/30 Winchester. The old timers that designed big cartridges like the 35 Remington knew what it took to kill big game like elk and moose not to mention deer in brush along river banks. As much as its a .30/30 vs. .35 thing, it might be just as much an East vs. West, thing. The .243 Win. Something to think about if you really want a .348 Winchester based cartridge. Winchester saw this and developed a new round offering a low recoil, low cost, straight-walled case that fit into the laws and guns of the area dominated by .450 BM. Calling and shooting predators is one of the things that helps hunters get from the end of the fall seasons to when the turkeys start gobbling. Particularlywhen used in a high quality rifle, the .35 Remington is capable of pretty darn good accuracy and Ive shot many nice groups with an off the shelfRemington Model 81. Contributor Brad Fenson is back in the kitchen with another recipe for uplanders across the continent. Mag. The ammunition situation is a little better than the rifles. The muzzle velocity was stated to be 1850 fps and the muzzle energy 1370 ft. lbs. Its spawn, the .351 Winchester Self Loader, fared a little better, but it was never in danger of greatness. would follow that tradition. In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. The Remington Model 673 Guide Rifle was chambered in .350 Rem. An experimental Thompson submachine gun was also made to fire .351 SL in 1919 but was never produced commercially. can be loaded with bullets ranging from 125 grains to 220 grains, and the .30-30 with bullets between 100 grains and 190 grains. Thats a question I just dont understand. Also H&R 1871, Inc., offered single-shot rifles in .35 Whelen from 1994 to 1996. Winchester is among the leaders in the entire ammunition industry in terms of high-volume production of both .223 Rem. You can trade in your 35 rem barrel on edstc.com for a 358 barrel. was also the only cartridge of that original Remington family that was based on a different parent case. from a 20" barrel. Winchester still offers ammunition, but the guns are history. has been offered in just about every rifle action type ever conceived and a few handguns. In 1953, the cartridge found its home in Marlins 336 lever-action, but it also was favored by many who hunted big game with single-shot pistols like the Contender. The Creedmoor is the hottest cartridge on the planet. Admittedly though, I was cheering for the .35 Rem. The .35 Remington was releasedas one of a quartet of rimless cartridges from Remingtonin 1906; it is a rimless affair designed for their Model 8 autoloading rifle. But theres a reason the .30-30 has been around for the last 126 years. It is believed that Frank Hammer fired the opening burst into Bonnie & Clydes 1934 Ford with a Model 8 in .35. While the American mainstream wont accept the .35, they are not unloved. Mag. Its thought to be the rifle legendary stock detective Tom Horn used for his assassinations, and African professional hunter Wally Johnson even used a .30/30 with success on lions. was simply a .308 Win. Federals Power Shok, for example, pushes a 200-grain bullet 2,080 fps. Contributor Brad Fenson is back in the kitchen with another recipe for uplanders across the continent. 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